Vintage Thing No.53.1 - The GP Centron

As you may have gathered I have a soft spot for the Centron. I think the front end styling is highly successful but there are some awkward angles to the window aperture in profile. Softer lines here might improve the overall look but the kamm tail doesn't bother me at all. Gerald's Centron is a striking motorcar.
Gerald says, "By the time I got it, it had already been painted red, with a black vinyl roof. The auction catalogue I was given describes it as a black show car, and that it was featured in a magazine article. I have been unable to find which magazine, and would be grateful if you can remember where you saw it."

Gerald goes on, "One of the features of this car is the wind up windows, unusual in kit cars at that time."
This rings a definite bell with me - I believe Lalande were actually in the process of developing these. I seem to recall a discussion with Colin Clifford about TR7 mechanisms because these had a down and forward course of travel. This suited the door shut line of both TR7 and Centron, otherwise the window glass would only go down so far.
"I was in touch with the owner of the other Centron (FCV 144L) a while ago, but he sold it and I didn't make contact with the new owner."
This is interesting because FCV144L is a Cornish number. We wonder where it is now.
"I also had contact from a chap in Holland (I think) who discovered an unbuilt Centron "Targa Top". I have not heard if he has built it yet."
One of my long lost speculative design drawings that I did around the time of my visits to the Statestyle factory was of a targa version. The lines of the Centron seem to suit this treatment but I cannot now recall whether this was something that Statestyle wanted to develop or if it was my own idea.

Anyway, if that really is a total of 3 survivors that's not a bad survival rate - 12 examples of the original GP Centron, with a forward hingeing canopy, were built from 1970-71 with only 4 of the revised Centron II, which offered a fixed rear window and conventional doors. How many Lalande and Statestyle made is anyone's guess although according to Chris Rees in his book Classic Kit Cars they made two from 1983-87.
Chris also reckoned that 5 of the original dozen Centrons produced by GP were exported. I'm guessing here but maybe the Dutch targa top example is a modified version. The flop forward canopy - popularised by the Bond Bug no less - leaked a lot and was a bit too much of the fun-car-explosion and not enough drive-to-work-in-a-suit-and-stay-dry-practical. It must have looked radical when paying car park tolls - I reckon the sliding windows would have been too low to pay yer money or take yer ticket, so opening up the roof/windscreen/doors/windows would have been the only way to cope.
The Centron II was a far more practical proposition and had an Escort front screen. I remember Colin Clifford saying that they didn't believe this when they made their car and neither did the windscreen fitter who came to fit it. But it all went together beautifully.
"When I bought the car it had been left out in the weather with no glass. The chap I bought it from had taken the body off and welded new floors. I took it from there. I painted it red (not very well), the surface has cracks and bubbles now. The rear window was a one piece fixed glass, but I made it an opening hatch to improve access to the engine."
Many old kit cars don't make it back from being in this state so I'm pleased to hear that Gerald has brought his Centron back into the land of the living.
I had a feeling the rear window was originally recessed with buttresses down each side but I might be swayed by pictures of other, earlier Centrons.
"I have tried to find Peter Gilbert (of Lalande) to tell him his car is still around, but have failed. If you have any contacts I would be grateful if you could pass the message on."
I'd also like to know more about Val Dare-Bryan and Pierre du Plessis who created the Centron as an insurance policy against the bottom falling out of the beach buggy boom. So called "exotic" kit cars had already appeared in the US - probably for the same reason - so GP were simply following anothe trend. Consequently, the GP Centron is thought to be the first UK exotic.
Val Dare-Bryan was ex-Unipower - seeing how much Unipower GTs go for these days, there's a kit that should be resurrected. I believe Pierre du Plessis developed other GP designs for John Jobber before our old friend ex-Siva man Neville Trickett joined GP and took GP into entirely new markets with the tongue-in-cheek but highly successful GP Madison. I'd like to know - what other projects did Dare-Bryan and du Plessis work on?
Chris Rees book is probably the only place apart from Peter Tuthill's book on the Cornish Motor Industry that chronicles the Centron. The moulds were last heard of in 1987 when owned by a firm called MDB Sportscars. By then the car had been re-christened the Sapphire.
"The Centron has been without MOT lately," explains Gerald, "as the stub axles were loose on the King Pins. I found some second hand ones but the later hubs used would not fit, so I had to have them altered. This just shows what happens when kit cars develop. I have just finished one side, and have moved the car ready to fit the other side. I have found some more suitable headlamps, which are nearly ready to fit, so I hope to get it tested and taxed for the spring. I may even take it to Exeter later this year. It has been there before."
I look forward to renewing my acquaintance with it there Gerald.
Meanwhile, if anyone knows any more about Centrons, whether built by GP or otherwise, drop me a line or feel free to comment on this blog.

Hi if you look up colin clifford on facebook there is a photo of the centron which my brother had on file ireland it was the very first one out of the mould
ReplyDeleteJust found a Centron for Sale in Germany:
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Amazing! It looks like the one in my blog. Can anyone confirm this?
DeleteI owned that car for many years when it was black. It had a stunning custom paint job with mystical female warriors riding a type of hover board along clouds all along the sides. The clouds tapered to a point at the front wing with a diamond inset into a starburst. She was then stood on her hover board in a a pose of glory on the bonnet. The headlights and a few other things were also different.
DeleteNo, I would say it is different. The rear window, exhausts, front bumper, interior is all different.
Deletewhen did the car leave UK? and how much was it sold for?
ReplyDeletewhen did this car left UK? how much was it sold for? looks like the ebay "private" seller is dealing with cars....several car deals in the past .....
ReplyDeleteI always liked the Centron. I don't know if the back window was meant to elevate but the GErman one has Opel Monza glass tailgate hinges.
ReplyDeleteI did an MOT on this car maybe early 1980's. The owner told me it was made as a show car by a company in Cornwall to promote their new kit car. It had a stunning custom paint job. The basic colour was Gloss Black with a blue vinyl roof and it had some fantastic airbrush type artwork all along the sides and the bonnet. Many years later I saw one advertised for sale in Yate Bristol. It was in a bad state and needed a lot of work. I went to view it and it was the same car. I bought it :-) I did not have a garage at the time so getting the work done was not easy. It really needed taking apart and rebuilding but i did not have the facilities to do that. I managed to repair and reinforce the bonnet and keep the original artwork of the topless warrior that adorned it. I had a laminated rear window made that fitted with normal screen type rubber from an old mini. I had to do a huge amount of re wiring. It had a jaguar switch array that was up in the roof at the top of the windscreen. The interior was wrecked due to various leaks. I did my best with that and it ended up with a sparkly type material that would be called tacky these days. I had to go right through the brakes, the hand brake mounting had to have reinforcing brackets. Eventually I got around to the engine. Once I got it running it was fortunately good but was only a 1300cc.
ReplyDeleteIn the meantime the Cornish company had gone and someone in Blackwood South Wales had taken over. I went to their premises where they had three cars in their show room. One had a modified rear end with a huge V8 stuck in there.
As for my car, one thing I was never able to stop was water ingress through the doors. The door mounting were not strong enough and when opened they would drop down. I spent a long time fabricating and a frame behind the hinge mounts to beef up the structure. I eventually had enough of sorting out the shoddy work that other owners etc had done and got to a reasonable standard and put it up for sale. I had bought a 1600cc twin carb camper van engine to fit into it but had lost interest by then and sold that separately. I took it to a Classic car auction in Bristol where it sold for £1300 but then the bidder somehow dropped out and didn't pay. It then went to a young lad in Blackwood. The last i heard he removed the body to replace the seals???
I notice now that it has rain channels around the doors. I did not have them before. Maybe that was all it needed to keep it dry inside. I have two fairly low quality pictures of how it used to look but cannot see how to post them.
I would be interested to see those pictures Norman. I could do an update on the blog. I was in touch with Colin Clifford backalong and his brother Ger in Ireland but haven't heard from them for a while.
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ReplyDeleteGot a red Centron in Germany for sale! Good condition
ReplyDeleteI built centron cars with John Jobber in Westbury wiltshire sometime in the mid 70s in the old Marcos factory I made the moulds for the door conversion from gull wing to regular doors I remember I used door handles as fitted to morris marina ( I think if I remember correctly) which I bought from a local spares dealer, I think we built 3 and I demonstrated the first model on HTV local news it was filmed from outside and from inside with me driving around Westbury trading estate. most of the fittings came from local spares shops almost anything that fitted! The wind down windows were a bit of a trial to get working correctly! I think I remember the first model’s ( gull wing) had sliding windows, the moulds were all in Westbury ( I made most of the moulds we used) when I left the area in about 1978/9 to take on another challenge abroad, I can’t remember much about any earlier centron info but can remember building GP buggies and the long wheel base and the LDV pickup!
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Interesting - do you have any photos from that time?
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